Q: How did you direct your actors to have the 'surrogates'
effect? What kind of suggestions would you give?
Jonathan Mostow: When I made Terminator 3, I learned something
about directing actors to behave like robots. And one of
the key things I learned is that if an actor tries to play
a robot, he or she risks playing it mechanically in a way
that makes the performance uninteresting. So how I approached
the issue in that film and in Surrogates was instead to
focus on erasing human idiosyncrasies and asymmetries --
in posture, facial expressions, gait, etc. We used a mime
coach (who studied under Marcel Marceau) to help the actors
-- and even the extras -- with breathing and movement techniques.
The actors really enjoyed the challenge.
Q: Do you think that the release of movies will continue
to take place in theaters or, as the quality standards is
constantly increasing at home with technology; movies might
start to be released instantly on different Medias or directly
on the internet in the future?
Jonathan Mostow: As you probably know, this is a hot topic
of conversation in Hollywood right now. It seems that we're
heading toward the day that films will be released in all
platforms simultaneously, albeit with a cost premium to
see it at home. But I hope that theater-going doesn't end
-- I think that watching movies on the big screen with an
audience is still the best format and also an important
one for society. Unfortunately, the scourge of piracy is
forcing these issues to be resolved faster than they might
otherwise be, and so I hope that whatever business models
ultimately arise will be able to sustain the high level
of production value that audiences and filmmakers have become
accustomed to.
Q: Which other features can we find inside the Extras of
the DVD and BD?
Jonathan Mostow: The DVD and Blu-ray both have my commentary
and the music video by Breaking Benjamin. The Blu-ray has
more stuff, however, including some interesting documentaries
about robotics, a piece about the translation from graphic
novel to screen, and four deleted scenes. (Plus, of course,
the Blu-ray looks better!)
Q: What's your recipe for creating a good action movie?
Jonathan Mostow: I wish there was a recipe! It would make
my life so much easier. Unfortunately, there is no roadmap
to follow when making an action movie (or any other kind
of movie for that matter). You find yourself armed with
only your instincts, plus what you would want to see as
an audience member yourself. The place I begin is with story.
If the audience doesn't care about that, then it doesn't
matter how amazing the spectacle is. My central philosophy
is that people go to the movies to be told a story, not
to see stuff blow up.
Q: Do you believe your film made the audiences rethink some
aspects of their lives?
Jonathan Mostow: I hope so. Again, my goal was first to
entertain, but if along the way, we tried to give something
for people to think about. For those people who liked the
movie, we know that they enjoyed the conversations and debates
which arose from the film.
Q: Are there any sci-fi movies that were inspirational to
the tone, look and feel you wanted to strike with Surrogates?
Jonathan Mostow: For the look and feel of this movie, I
found inspiration in some black and white films from the
60s -- early works of John Frankenheimer -- plus the original
Twilight Zone TV show. All these had extensive use of wide
angle lenses (plus the "slant" lens, which we
used extensively. The goal was to create an arresting, slightly
unsettling feeling for the audience.
Q: What's the most rewarding thing you've learned or taken
from making this movie?
Jonathan Mostow: Making this movie had made me much more
conscious of how much time I spend on the computer. Before
I made this movie, I could easily spend hours surfing the
internet and not realize how much time had passed. Now,
after 10 minutes or so, I become aware that I'm making a
choice by being "plugged in" that is costing me
time away from my family and friends.
Q: Did you read the comics before you started making the
movie? If so, what did you like about them the most?
Jonathan Mostow: Yes, it was the graphic novel that inspired
me to make the movie. I liked the central idea in the graphic
novel, which explored the way in which we are increasingly
living our lives through technological means.
Q: What do you personally think of the Blu-ray technology?
Jonathan Mostow: I LOVE Blu-ray. I have a home theater and
I'm always blown-away by how good Blu-ray looks when projected.
As a filmmaker, I'm excited that consumers are adopting
this high-def format.
Q: This world is tech-addicted; do you think it is a plague?
Should we could we control this?
Jonathan Mostow: Interesting question -- and I speak as
someone who is addicted to technology. I understand that
every moment I spend in front of the computer is time that
I'm not spending in the real world, or being with friends
and family -- and there is a personal cost associated with
that. Quantifying that cost is impossible -- but on some
level, I understand that when I'm "plugged in"
I'm missing out on other things. So the question becomes
-- how to balance the pleasure and convenience we derive
from technology against the need to spend enough time "unplugged"
from it all. I don't know the answer. And as a civilization,
I think we're all struggling to figure it out. We're still
in the infancy of the technological revolution. Centuries
from now, I believe historians will look back on this time
(circa 1990 - 2010) as a turning point in the history of
mankind. Is it a "plague"? No. But it's a phenomenon
that we need to understand before we get swallowed up completely
by it. I don't want to sound like I'm over-hyping the importance
of this movie, because after all, Surrogates is first and
foremost intended to be a piece of entertainment, but I
do think that movies can help play a role in helping society
talk about these issues, even if sometimes only tangentially.
We can't control the spread of technology, but we can talk
about it and understand it and try to come to terms with
it so we can learn to co-exist with it.
Q: In Surrogates every character in the frame looks perfect:
was it a big technical problem for you? How did you find
a solution?
Jonathan Mostow: I talk about that on the DVD commentary
-- it was a big challenge. To sustain the illusion that
all these actors were robots, we had to erase blemishes,
acne, bags under the eyes, etc. In a sense, the actors were
the visual effects. As a result, there are more VFX shots
than non-VFX shots in the movie.
Q: What is your favorite technical gadget, why?
Jonathan Mostow: Currently, my favorite gadget is the iPhone,
but the toy I'm really waiting for is the rumored soon-to-be
released Apple tablet.
Q: Do you prefer "old-school", handcrafted SFX
or CGI creations?
Jonathan Mostow: I think if you scratch beneath the surface
of most filmmakers (myself included); you will find a 12
year old kid who views movie-making akin to playing with
a giant electric train set. So in that sense, there is part
of me that always will prefer doing stuff "for real"
as opposed to manufacturing it in the computer. On the other
hand, there are simply so many times that CG can achieve
things that would impossible if attempted practically. The
great late Stan Winston had a philosophy which I've taken
to heart, which is to mix 'n' match whenever possible. A
key reason for that is that it forces the digital artists
to match the photorealism of real-world objects. One thing
I try to avoid in my films are effects that have a CG "look"
to them. The challenge is never let the audience get distracted
by thinking that they're watching something made in a computer.
Q: This is a so-called virtual roundtable interview. Wouldn't
you agree that in the context of "Surrogates"
this is quite ironic? However, virtual technique like this
is quite practical, isn't it?
Jonathan Mostow: Great question! However, why do you call
it "so-called"? I'd say this is 100% virtual,
wouldn't you? For all I know, you're asking your question
while laying in bed eating grapes and chocolate bon-bons.
(Please let me know if I'm correct, BTW.)
Q: How close did you try to keep the film to the graphic
novel?
Jonathan Mostow: We talk about that in one of the bonus
features on the Blu-ray. The novel was interesting in that
it was highly regarded, but not well-known outside a small
community of graphic novel enthusiasts. So that meant that
we weren't necessarily beholden to elements in the graphic
novel in the way that one might be if adapting a world-renowned
piece of literature. Even the author of Surrogates acknowledged
that changes were necessary to adapt his novel to the needs
of a feature film. Hopefully, we struck the right balance.
Certainly, I believe we preserved the central idea -- which
was to pose some interesting questions to the audience about
how we can retain our humanity in this increasingly technological
world.
Q: does the rapid technological evolution help making sci-fi
movies easier, or harder, because the standards are higher
and higher?
Jonathan Mostow: From a practical standpoint, it makes it
easier because the digital/CG revolution makes it possible
to realize almost anything you can imagine. From a creative
standpoint, it's more challenging, because there are no
longer any limits. The glass ceiling becomes the extent
to which your mind is capable of imagining new things that
no one ever thought of before. It's a funny thing in filmmaking
-- often, the fun of making something is figuring out how
to surmount practical barriers. As those barriers get erased,
then those challenges disappear.
Q: Are you afraid, that the future we see in the movie could
be real someday soon?
Jonathan Mostow: Well, in a sense, we're already at that
point. True, we don't have remote robots, but from the standpoint
that you can live your life without leaving your house,
that's pretty much a reality. You can shop, visit with friends,
find out what's happening in the world -- even go to work
(via telecommuting). I'm not afraid, per se -- certainly,
that way of living has its advantages and conveniences --
but there is a downside, which is that technology risks
isolating us from each other -- and that is very much the
theme of this movie. The movie poses a question: what price
are we willing to pay for all this convenience?
Q: Jonathan, you've worked with some of the most famous
action stars to ever grace the silver screen, Arnold, Bruce,
Kurt...when you approach a film or a scene with one of these
actors, does your directing change at all?
Jonathan Mostow: I've been very lucky to work with some
great movie stars of our time. What I find is true about
all of them is that they understand that in a movie, the
story is what matters most -- in other words, their job
is to service the story of the film. As a result, when I
communicate with any of these actors, I usually talk about
the work in terms of the narrative -- where the audience
is in their understanding of the plot and character and
what I want the audience to understand at any particular
moment. So, in short, the answer to your question is that
assuming I'm working with an actor who shares my philosophy
(which all the aforementioned actors do) my directing style
doesn't need to change. Q: Which aspect of the filmmaking
process do you like the most? Directing the actors? Doing
research? Editing?
Jonathan Mostow: Each phase has its appeal, but for me personally,
I most enjoy post-production. For starters, the hours are
civilized. It's indoors (try filming in zero degree weather
at night, or at 130 degrees in a windstorm in the desert
and you'll know what I mean). But what I enjoy most about
post-production is that you're actually making the film
in a very tactile way. You see, when you're finished shooting,
you don't yet have the movie. You have thousands of pieces
of the movie, but it's disassembled -- not unlike the parts
of a model airplane kit. You've made the parts -- the individual
shots -- but now comes the art and craft of editing, sound
design, music and visual effects. Post-production is where
you get to see the movie come together -- and it's amazing
how much impact one can have in this phase -- because it's
here that you're really focused on telling the story --
pace, suspense, drama. To me, that's the essence of the
filmmaking experience.
Q: Are any of the props from Surrogates currently on display
in your house?
Jonathan Mostow: That question makes me chuckle, because
to the chagrin of my family, I'm a bit of a pack rat and
I like collecting junk from my films. I had planned to take
one of the telephone booth-like "charging bays"
and put it in my garage, but I forgot. Thanks for reminding
me -- I'll see if it's still lying around someplace!
Q: What was the most difficult element of the graphic novel
to translate to the film?
Jonathan Mostow: I'll give you a slightly different answer:
The most difficult element to translate successfully would
have been the distant future, which is why we decided not
to do it. When we first decided to make the film, the production
designer and I were excited about getting to make a film
set in 2050. We planned flying cars, futuristic skyscapes
-- the whole nine yards. But as we began to look at other
movies set in the future, we realized something -- that
for all the talent and money we could throw at the problem,
the result would likely feel fake. Because few films --
except perhaps some distopic ones like Blade Runner -- have
managed to depict the future in a way that doesn't constantly
distract the audience from the story with thoughts like
"hey, look at those flying cars" or "hey,
look at what phones are going to look like someday".
We wanted the audience thinking only about our core idea
-- which was robotic surrogates -- so we decided to set
the movie in a time that looked very much like our own,
except for the presence of the surrogate technology.
Q: The film does a magnificent job of portraying the difficulty
and anxiety of characters forced to reintroduce themselves
to the outside world after their surrogates have experienced
it for them, which is certainly relevant in an era where
so many communicate so much online. Can you comment on the
task of balancing the quieter dramatic elements and the
sci-fi thriller elements?
Jonathan Mostow: When I was answering a question earlier
about sound, I spoke about "dynamic range", which
is the measure of the difference between the loudest and
quietest moments. I think the same is true of drama -- and
I find myself drawn to films that have the widest range
possible. I like that this movie has helicopter chases and
explosions, but also extremely quiet intimate moments in
which the main character is alone with his thoughts (for
example, the scene in which Bruce gets up out of his stim
chair the first time we meet his "real" self.)
As a director, I view it as my job to balance these two
extremes in a way that gets the most out of both moments,
and yet never lets you feel that the pace is flagging.
Q: On the movie's you've directed, you have done some rewrites.
Was there anything in Surrogates you polished up on, or
was it pretty much set by the time pre-production got under
way?
Jonathan Mostow: In the past, I've typically written my
movies (Breakdown and U-571 were "spec" screenplays
I wrote on my own and then subsequently sold, and then brought
in collaborators once the films headed toward production.)
On T3 and Surrogates, I did not work as a writer (both movies
were written by the team of John Brancato and Michael Ferris).
Surrogates was interesting in that the script was finished
only one day before the Writers Guild strike of 2008, so
by the time we started filming (which was shortly after
the strike ended), there had been far less rewriting than
would typically have occurred on a movie by that point.
Q: Do you have a preference in home audio: Dolby Digital
or DTS? And are you pleased with Blu-ray's ability to have
lossless audio?
Jonathan Mostow: Personally, I prefer Dolby Digital, but
only because my home theater is optimized for it. Obviously
DTS is also a great format. I am thrilled with all the advances
in Blu-ray audio.
Q: Boston's mix of old architecture and new, sleek buildings
works wonderfully well for "Surrogates." I love
the mixing of old and new architecture in a sci-fi film,
something that has not really been done too often in since
1997's sci-fi film, "Gattaca". Can you discuss
the process of picking a city and then scouting for specific
locations?
Jonathan Mostow: Thank you -- I talk about that in my DVD
commentary. Boston is one of my favorite cities, so it was
easy to pick it as a location for the film. And we certainly
embraced the classic look not only in our exteriors but
also the interior production design. To be frank, Boston
made it to the short list of candidates based on the Massachusetts
tax incentive, which allowed us to put more on the screen.
Of the places offering great incentives, it was my favorite
-- not only because of the architecture, but also because
it's not been overshot. Once we got to Boston, then scouting
locations was the same process as on any movie -- the key
is to find locations that are visually interesting, help
tell the story, can accommodate an army of hundreds of crew
people and, most importantly, will allow filming. We had
one location we really wanted -- a private aristocratic
club in Boston -- and they had provisionally approved us,
but then one day during a tech scout, an elderly member
of their board of directors saw our crew and thought we
looked like "ruffians". Our permission was revoked
and we had to find another location. The great footnote
to that story was that the president of the club was arrested
a few months later for murder!
Q: I imagine that before writing and creating the world
of Surrogates you studied the topic. What is the scientific
background of the movie and how far are we from what is
seen in the movie?
Jonathan Mostow: I did a fair amount of research for the
movie, but really, what I discovered is that the best research
was simply being a member of society in 2009. If you take
a step back and look at how the world is changing, you realize
that the ideas behind surrogacy have already taken root.
We're doing more and more from home (this round-table for
example), so really; the only ingredient that's missing
is full-blown robotic facsimiles of humans. Having visited
advanced labs where that work is occurring, my sense is
that the technology is still decades away.
Q: As far as I know in the movie there was some digital
rejuvenation of Bruce Willis for his role as a robot. How
did you do it and what do you foresee for this technique?
Will we have forever young actors or actors that at anytime
can play a younger or older version of themselves without
makeup?
Jonathan Mostow: For Bruce, we approached his surrogate
look with a combination of traditional and digital techniques.
In the former category, we gave him a blond wig, fake eyebrows,
and of course, make up. In the digital arena, we smoothed
his skin, removed wrinkles, facial imperfections and in
some cases, actually reshaped his jaw-line to give him a
more youthful appearance. Could this be done for other actors?
Sure. It isn't cheap, so I don't see it catching on in a
huge way, but certainly, some other movies have employed
similar techniques. Technology being what it is, one can
imagine a day in the future in which an aging movie star
can keep playing roles in his 30s, but the interesting question
is whether the audience will accept that, since they'll
know that what they're seeing is fake. In the case of Surrogates,
we discovered with test audiences that if we went too far
with Bruce's look, it was too distracting, so in certain
cases, we had to pull back a bit.
Q: Do you supervise aspects (video transfer, extras or other
elements) of the home video (DVD/Blu-ray) release for your
films?
Jonathan Mostow: Yes. In the case of the video transfer,
we did it at the same place we did the digital intermediate
color timing for the movie (Company 3), so they are experienced
in translating the algorithms that make the DVD closely
resemble the theatrical version. I am deeply involved in
that process, as is my cinematographer. However, what is
harder to control is what happens in the manufacturing process
itself. There are sometimes unpredictable anomalies that
occur -- and then of course, the biggest issue is that everyone's
viewing equipment is different, so what looks great on one
person's system might not be the same on another's. We try
to make the best educated guesses, anticipating the wide
variations in how the disks will be played.
Q: Mr. Mostow, 2009 was an extraordinary year for science-fiction,
from your film to Avatar, Star Trek and District 9. Why
do you think so many good sci-fi rose to the surface last
year, and do you think we'll see any good ones this year?
Jonathan Mostow: First of all, thank you for mentioning
our film in the same breath as those other movies -- all
of which I loved. I don't think it's a coincidence that
2009 was a good year for sci-fi. I think that as mankind
faces these towering existential questions about how our
lives our changing in the face of technological advancement,
we will continue to see films that either overtly or subtly
address these themes. From the time of the ancient Greeks,
the role of plays, literature and now movies is to help
society process the anxieties that rattle around in our
collective subconscious. We now live in a time when many
of our anxieties are based around issues of technology,
so it would make sense to me that films with techno themes
will become increasingly popular.
Q: Was there ever a discussion to create a SURROGATES-themed
video game? The plot lends itself to a decent companion
game.
Jonathan Mostow: There are no discussions that I know of,
but I agree, it would make the basis for a cool game.
Q: Each of your films has boasted sound mixes that many
have considered classic examples of sound design. Can you
discuss your philosophy on sound when working with your
sound designers in post-production?
Jonathan Mostow: I really appreciate this question because
sound is something I care deeply about and I believe that
mixers I've worked with will probably tell you that few
directors get as involved with sound as I do. Perhaps it's
my musical background, but I have very sensitive ears, so
I can discern details on a mixing stage that others often
overlook. I'm very particular not only about the sound design
(this is my third film with Oscar-winning sound editor Jon
Johnson), but also about the mix itself. I think a good
soundtrack helps immerse the audience in the movie. Ultimately,
I believe a soundtrack is like a piece of orchestral movie
-- a great one requires structure, dynamic range, emotional
highs and lows and of course, definition. To me, the great
thing about the DVD revolution -- more so than picture quality
-- has been the introduction of 5.1 surround sound to the
home.
Q: How involved was KNB Effects? What did they bring, if
anything, to the films effects designs?
Jonathan Mostow: KNB is a top-flight company that specializes
in prosthetic devices for movies and creature design. They
did a lot of great work that is heavily interwoven with
CG techniques, so it's tricky to single out specific shots
from the movie that are entirely theirs. They were great
to work with.
Q: “Surrogates” plot revolves around an important
issue in the current times – the growing need of anonymity
and increasing loss of real human contact. Do you think
we’re going in the way you’ve portrayed in “Surrogates”?
Jonathan Mostow: I think I answered this question earlier,
but I'm re-addressing it here because I like your reference
to the "growing need of anonymity". That's a big
sub textual theme in Surrogates and also a pretty fascinating
aspect the internet. Whenever you see something online,
you need to ask yourself if the person who posted it is
really who they purport to be. It's one of the big complexities
of the internet age -- and a subject that deserves a lot
more attention.
Q: I really enjoyed listening to your audio commentary on
the DVD. Talk about your approach to it. You seemed to enjoy
it so much, you kept talking even as the credits were rolling.
Jonathan Mostow: Thanks for the compliment. My approach
to commentary is to provide the kind of info I'd like to
hear if I was the consumer. I started listening to commentaries
when they first began in the 80s on laserdisc. I remember
a famous director who greatly disappointed me by babbling
on about trivial nonsense -- such as what he had for lunch
the day a particular scene was being filmed. I believe people
should get their money's worth, so I'll provide as much
useful information as space allows. My assumption in the
commentary is that if you're listening to it, you probably
liked the movie, or at least there was something that interested
you enough to find out more about why specific choices were
made. So I try to tailor my comments for that audience.
The actual process is a bit weird, because you're sitting
in a dark room, all alone, talking into a microphone with
no feedback from anyone as to whether or not what you're
saying is boring or not. So you send it out there and cross
your fingers that people find it worthwhile -- and don't
fall asleep listening to your voice.
Q: How do you approach the promotional campaign for a film
and in what way do you enjoy participating most in promoting
one of your films?
Jonathan Mostow: I greatly enjoy the press phase of the
film -- but not for reasons you might expect. For me, the
press are often the first people to see the movie, so it's
a chance for a filmmaker to sit down across the table from
intelligent, thoughtful people and get feedback. (Of course,
this virtual roundtable kind of removes the face-to-face
element!) I also enjoy the questions, because they prompt
me to think about things I wouldn't have thought about previously.
For example, someone today asked about the thematic connections
between T3 and Surrogates. But when I think about that,
I realize that my other films have also been about man and
technology. Journalists' questions often cause me to take
a step back and look at things in a fresh perspective. Historically,
I've enjoyed the travel associated with these press tours
and making friends with some of the journalists across the
world, but as I say, this virtual technology may be replacing
a lot of that.
Q: I found the distinction between the surrogates and their
human handlers interesting. Can you expound upon why such
a drastic difference?
Jonathan Mostow: The difference was logical. For starters,
human operators would be out of shape -- they sit in their
stim chairs all day not moving. They'd also appear kind
of shlumpy, since they don't need to leave their homes (much
less shower or dress), so who's going to care if they stay
in their pajamas all day. On the surrogate side of the equation,
we imagined that based on human nature, in most cases, people
would opt to operate idealized versions of themselves --
so if their surrogate looked in a mirror, for example, they'd
see this fantastic-looking version of themselves. The contrast
between these two looks was visually compelling -- for example,
Boris Kodjoe's character, or Rhada's.
Q: One of the deleted scenes shows the surrogates' prejudice
towards a human being among them. Why was this particular
element cut?
Jonathan Mostow: The scene you reference (Bruce and Radha
in a bar) was cut, but the underlying idea is still in the
movie -- although admittedly not as strongly as had we kept
the scene. (There are references in the movie to "meatbags"
and other moments that indicate a hostility and prejudice
toward those who reject the surrogate way of life.) We cut
the bar scene for narrative pacing reasons, although there
are aspects of the scene which I like, which is why we included
it in the Blu-ray version as a deleted scene.
Q: This isn't your first time dealing with a high concept
of man versus machine. Can you talk about why this concept
intrigues you?
Jonathan Mostow: It's true that I've touched on this thematic
material before -- in fact, I think all my films in some
way have dealt with the relationship between man and technology,
so apparently, it's an idea that fascinates me. I assume
your question implies a relationship between the ideas in
Terminator and Surrogates, so I'll answer accordingly...
Whereas T3 posed technology as a direct threat to mankind,
I see Surrogates more as a movie that poses a question about
technology -- specifically, what does it cost us -- in human
terms -- to be able to have all this advanced technology
in our lives. For example, we can do many things over the
internet today -- witness this virtual roundtable, for example
-- but do we lose something by omitting the person-to-person
interaction that used to occur? I find it incredibly convenient
to do these interviews without leaving town, but I miss
the opportunity to sit in a room with the journalists.
Q: Can you explain the casting choices in Surrogates? Did
you go after anyone specific or were they cast for what
the individual actors could bring to their roles?
Jonathan Mostow: The interesting thing about casting this
movie is that for the surrogates, we needed terrific actors
who also looked physically perfect. Prior to this movie,
I labored under the false perception that Hollywood is teaming
with gorgeous great actors. Not necessarily so. Yes, there
are many wonderful actors. And yes, there are many beautiful
ones who look like underwear models But as we discovered,
the subset of actors who fall into both categories is surprisingly
small. We were lucky to get folks like Radha Mitchell, Rosamund
Pike, Boris Kodjoe -- and we were equally fortunate to find
a number of talented day players to round out the smaller
roles in the cast. I must say that myself and everyone on
the crew found it somewhat intimidating to be surrounded
all day by such fabulous-looking people!
Q: You've worked with special effects a lot prior to Surrogates.
Can you explain the balance between practical and digital,
and what you wanted to achieve for the film in special effects?
Jonathan Mostow: My goal for the effects in this film was
to make them invisible. There are over 800 vfx shots in
Surrogates, but hopefully you'll be able to identify only
a few of them. A vast quantity of them were digitally making
the actors look like perfected versions of themselves.
Q: One of your film's themes is the fears of technology.
What are some of your own fears about technology and the
future?
Jonathan Mostow: Some people have labeled this film as anti-technology.
But I don't see it that way. In fact, I love technology.
I love using computers and gadgets. I love strolling through
Best Buy and the Apple Store to see what's new. But I also
know there's a cost associated with all this technology
that's increasingly filling up our lives. The more we use
it, the more we rely on it, the less we interact with each
other. Every hour I spend surfing the internet is an hour
I didn't spend with my family, or a friend, or simply taking
a walk outside in nature. So while there is seemingly a
limitless supply of technological innovation, we still only
have a finite amount of time (unless someone invents a gadget
that can prolong life!) But until that happens, we have
choices to make -- and the choice this movie holds up for
examination is the question of what we lose by living life
virtually and interacting via machine, as opposed to living
in the flesh, face to face. I hope that's a conversation
that will arise for people who watch Surrogates.
Q: When directing do you take the approach of Hitchcock
and storyboard every angle, or do you like to get to the
set and let the shots come organically? Maybe in between?
Jonathan Mostow: I'd say in between. Action needs to be
carefully planned and boarded. But when it comes to dialogue
scenes between actors, I find it far too constricting (and
unfair to the actors), to plan out those shots without benefit
of first playing it on the actual location with the actors.
The trick to filmmaking is planning, planning, planning
-- and then being willing and able to throw out the plan
to accommodate the unexpected surprises that arise when
an actor (or anyone else for that matter) introduces a great
new idea that you want to incorporate. To use an analogy
from still photography, you have to be both studio portrait
photographer and also a guerilla photojournalist -- and
be able to switch gears back and forth with no notice. At
least, that's my approach. Others may work differently.
Q: The scene shot in downtown Boston was great and the fact
that the city allowed it was pretty cool. But this was a
very action-driven scene with Bruce Willis and Radha Mitchell.
Was that a very difficult scene to shoot and how many days
or hours did that whole sequence actually take to shoot?
Jonathan Mostow: If you're referring to the chase with Bruce
and Radha, here's a great irony -- that sequence was one
of the few not shot in Boston -- in fact, it was shot almost
entirely on the Paramount backlot (to my knowledge, it's
the largest and most complex chase scene ever shot on their
backlot, which if you saw it, you'd realize how tiny an
amount of real estate it is, and so pulling off a chase
of that scope was quite a tricky bit of business).
Q: When looking for scripts to direct, what absolutely needs
to be in there for you to say, "This is a story I want
to tell?"
Jonathan Mostow: For me, the story must compel me and have
dramatic tension. As you know from watching movies, that's
hard to find.
Q: Could you tell me something about the experience of having
obtained an Academy Award for your movie U-571?
Jonathan Mostow: The Oscar we received for U-571 was for
sound editing (we were also nominated for sound mixing).
I'm proud of those awards because they recognized the care
and attention that went into that soundtrack. I employed
the same sound editing team on Surrogates, and so I hope
the DVD and Blu-ray audience who have good 5.1 sound systems
will enjoy the fruits of our labors. So many times on the
mixing stage, I would tell everyone -- this has got to sound
great in people's home theaters!
Q: Do you think we are heading down the road to a version
of human surrogacy with the advances in technology, or do
you think direct human-to-human interaction will always
be a part of life?
Jonathan Mostow: Do I believe that someday Surrogate robots
will exist? Yes. Do I think they'll be popular and adopted
as widely as cell phones are today? Perhaps. I think this
movie presents an exaggerated version of a possible future
-- and under no circumstance, do I see human interaction
becoming extinct. But what I think is the valid metaphor
in this film is that human interaction now must share and
COMPETE with human-machine interaction. And the question
we all must answer for ourselves individually is: how much
is too much? No one has the answers... at least yet. Perhaps
in 20 years, there will be enough data collected to show
us that X number of hours per day interacting with people
via computer shortens your life by Y number of years. But
for now, it's all unknown territory to us. All we can do
is ask ourselves these questions. And at its core, that's
what this movie is doing -- asking questions.
Q: There's this very surreal feeling to the world and your
direction with all the dutch angles add even more to that
sense. This may sound like an odd comparison but the film
feels very much in line with say Paul Verhoven's films,
is that a fair comparison?
Jonathan Mostow: It's true that we did apply a heavy style
to underline the oddness of the world and give the film
a different, arresting feel -- but I'll leave the comparisons
to others. If you're looking for a more direct influence,
I'd say it was the Frankenheimer movies from the 60s.
Q: Is this the real Jonathan Mostow, or am I interviewing...
a surrogate?
Jonathan Mostow: I'm the real me. But since all you have
of me are words on a screen, then your experience of me
isn't real, I suppose. Ah, the irony of it all...
Q: Is doing an audio commentary a painful experience where
you spot errors or 'what might have beens' or is it an interesting
trip down memory lane, where each shot conjures up a day
on the set?
Jonathan Mostow: Very much the latter. Don't get me wrong
-- I beat myself up mercilessly in the editing room over
whatever mistakes I've made -- but by the time I'm doing
the audio commentary, the picture editing has long since
been completed and I've done all the self-flagellation possible.
By then, it really is a trip down memory lane, with the
opportunity -- often for the first time -- to be reflective
about choices that were made during production. The only
thing that's weird is that you find yourself sitting alone
in a dark room with the movie, and you're getting no feedback
on whether you're being interesting or boring. So I hope
people like the commentary. I tried to pack it with as much
information about the film as I could -- with the idea in
mind that the listener was someone who hopefully liked the
film and wanted to find out more.
Q: Ever have any plans to shoot a film digitally in Hi-Def
as opposed to using the traditional 35mm film approach?
Namely what do you think about the Red One camera?
Jonathan Mostow: Although I've never used it, from what
I understand, the Red is a great camera -- although, like
anything it has its plusses and minuses, which are too technical
to get into here. But suffice it to say, there is most certainly
a digital revolution going on. Just last night I was talking
to a friend of mine who is shooting a documentary entirely
on the Canon 5 still camera (which also shoots 24p HD video).
I've seen some of what he's done and the stuff looks gorgeous.
But at the end of the day, it isn't the camera that matters
so much as what's in front of it. Surrogates was shot in
35mm for a variety of technical reasons. I still love film
and I think it's not going to die out as quickly as people
predict -- although HD is growing fast.
Q: How involved was Robert Venditti with the film? Did he
tell you any key themes that absolutely had to be in the
film?
Jonathan Mostow: Venditti was great. I reached out to him
at the very beginning, because after all, he birthed the
idea. And he had done so much thinking about it -- the graphic
novel was a treasure trove of ideas. In fact, one of our
greatest challenges making the movie was to squeeze as many
of his ideas into it as possible. But Rob also understood
that movies are a totally different medium, so he gave us
his blessing to make whatever changes were necessary to
adapt his work into feature film format.
Q: Some directors describe their films like children, and
they love them all...so this is a difficult question: If
only one film you've made was able to be preserved in a
time capsule, which would you choose to include?
Jonathan Mostow: In some aspect or another, I've enjoyed
making all my films, but my personal favorite remains Breakdown
because that was my purest and most satisfying creative
experience. On that film, I worked totally from instinct.
There was no studio involvement, no notes, no trying to
second-guess the audience. I just made the movie I saw in
my head. Looking back, I see how lucky I was to be able
to work like that.
Q: Do you have a favorite filmmaking technique that you
like to use in your films?
Jonathan Mostow: I have a few little signature tricks, but
really, I try not to impose any signature style on a movie,
because ultimately, I believe that the story is king, and
everything must serve the king. So, if you've seen Surrogates
and my other films, you'll see that that the style of Surrogates,
which is very formalistic and slightly arch, is much different
than any feature I've done previously.
Q: Is it ever daunting when making a "futuristic"
film to avoid the traps of becoming dated too quickly? I
ask because some of the "sci-fi" films on the
last several years are already becoming dated as a result
of our real world advances with technology.
Jonathan Mostow: A great question and one that hopefully
we correctly anticipated before we started the movie. Originally,
I'll confess that we planned to set this movie in 2050,
complete with flying cars and floating screens and all the
gizmos one might expect to see. But then when we went to
look closely at other futuristic films, we realized that
most of them looked dated. And there was a 'fakeness' factor
to them that distracted from the story. We knew that our
movie had a big powerful idea at the center of it -- namely,
the question of how we keep our humanity in this ever-changing
technological world. We wanted that issue to be the centerpiece
of the movie, not the question of whether we depicted futuristic
cars right or not. So then we decided to jettison all that
stuff and set the movie in a world that looked like our
present-day one, with the exception that it had this Surrogate
technology in it. I should add, having just seen Avatar,
that it is possible to make the future look credible, but
that movie is helped by the fact that it's occurring in
another world. Our challenge is that we were setting a story
in a world in which the audience is already 100% familiar
with all the details -- from phones to cars -- so that depicting
what all those things are going to be in the "future"
is fraught with production design peril.
Q: It is mentioned in the bonus features that the makeup
effects and visual effects basically worked hand-in-hand
in the smoothing look of the robotic surrogate characters;
was this perfection that is seen in the final product more
challenging than in past productions you have worked on,
being that this film was coming to Blu-ray?
Jonathan Mostow: Well certainly Blu-ray has raised the bar
for make-up because high-def shows every facial imperfection,
skin pore, etc. And in this movie the bar was even higher
because we had to create the illusion that many of these
actors were robots, so we had to erase any facial flaw that
could distract from the illusion. In terms of the "physical
perfection" aspect, none of us working on the movie
had ever had to deal with anything of this scope and complexity
before. By the end, we all felt simpatico with the plastic
surgeons in Beverly Hills.
Q: What's a good Sci Fi film that you'd recommend to someone
who says 'I hate Sci Fi'?
Jonathan Mostow: Well, just this year there were so many....
District 9, Star Trek, Avatar were all standouts. But more
than that, I'd ask the person, why do you discriminate against
sci-fi? Because, when you think about it, the term "sci
fi" is a bit of a misnomer. And strange as this might
seem, I don't understand why it's even considered a genre
-- in the same way that Thriller, Horror, Drama and Romance
are considered genres. Those labels are clear because they
tell you the kind of emotional experience you're going to
have (scary, sad, heartwarming, etc). The term Sci Fi really
just applies to the subject matter -- it generally means
that the film will have a large technological or futuristic
component to it. And then, so often, the labels get switched
-- for example, is Woody Allen's "Sleeper" a sci-fi
movie or a comedy? Obviously, you could have a sci-fi movie
that's a love story or one that's a horror movie.
Q: You seem to have a strong connection (or should I say
gift) when it comes to sci-fi. I feel like you really "get"
that realm. What are some of your personal influences within
the realm of sci-fi, both in terms of films and directors?
Jonathan Mostow: More so than sci-fi, I'm interested in
dramatic tension, so the filmmakers who influence me most
are the ones who are masters at creating suspense and tension...
Hitchcock, Spielberg and Frankenheimer are three that come
to mind.
Q: A lot of science fiction films have to balance being
informative about their worlds while also not being pandering
or relying to heavy on exposition, how do you walk that
fine line?
Jonathan Mostow: That's a very insightful question -- you're
right -- so often in sci fi films the pacing tends to collapse
under the weight of the filmmakers feeling the need to convey
a lot of exposition. A classic example is Blade Runner.
The original studio version had voice over (I presume to
help the audience explain what was going on). Ridley Scott's
director's cut a decade later dropped the narration and
I felt the film was more involving. In Surrogates, we initially
didn't have any exposition. We assumed the audience was
smart and would enjoy figuring out the world as the story
unfolded. But when we showed the film to the studio for
the first time, they had an interesting reaction -- they
said "we don't want to be distracted by wondering who
is a surrogate and who isn't, and what the rules of the
world are", so we came up with the idea of the opening
3 minute piece that explains the world. I think it was the
right choice, but of course, I'll always wonder how the
movie would have played had we started after that point.
Q: Although you've of course directed thrillers (BREAKDOWN)
and WW2 dramas (U-571), you've now helmed two sci-fi movies.
Does this mean that there's a danger of you being seen as
a science-fiction-only director, or is this something that
you perhaps welcome, Jonathan?
Jonathan Mostow: I've tried to resist labels, because I
don't want to be categorized into a box. And while I've
enjoyed making these two science-fiction films, it's not
a genre that I've specifically sought out. If I had to guess,
I'd predict that my next film will be a thriller. That's
the genre I've most enjoyed.
Q: In terms of stunts, how much did Bruce do himself? He
has said before that people think he’s “too
old to do stunts”
Jonathan Mostow: Bruce is a very fit guy -- he's in great
shape and works out every day. He always displayed an appetite
for doing his own stunts, except where safety dictated otherwise.
Q: In your opinion, what should we expect to see from robot
technology in the next ten years?
Jonathan Mostow: I think 10 years is too short a period
to see anything that approaches what's in this film -- I
think that's 30 years away. 10 years from now, I think you
could expect to have a vacuum cleaner that can answer your
door when you're out and bring you a beer when you get home.
Q: Curious, was there ever a plan for an alternate ending
for the film?
Jonathan Mostow: The only other versions of the end we discussed
involved the circumstances in which Bruce and Radha's characters
were reunited.
Q: The concept of what was featured in “Surrogates”
is so fascinating. Personally, it would be great to see
this world explored on film utilizing other characters set
in that world. Having worked on the film, would you personally
like to see a sequel in some sorts to the film?
Jonathan Mostow: I think that the concept of Surrogates
offers a world that could lend itself to other stories.
Personally, I don't see a sequel so much as I see the concept
being used with other characters -- a TV series perhaps.
Q: All your movies put their main characters in the edge,
with a lot of action sequences and a plot holding some twists
towards the end. Is this your signature or just a coincidence?
Jonathan Mostow: Personally, I enjoy movies that are visceral
-- that provide an experience that can quicken your pulse
and give you sweaty palms -- as opposed to movies that you
sit back and watch in a more passive way. That said, while
the story of Surrogates may not be as visceral as my other
films, I still tried to inject my approach into it to a
degree.
Q: What do you think the Surrogates Blu-ray experience can
offer viewers as opposed to the standard DVD format?
Jonathan Mostow: Blu-ray is obviously higher quality and
I'm glad to see that consumers are adopting it rapidly.
The Blu-ray also has additional features. |